I'm so grateful to Brooke Siem for opening up and sharing her story with us this week. Not only is she a woman of many talents (ballerina! chef! Chopped champion! bakery owner! crossfitter! writer!), Brooke has spent the last two years sober. Sober from medications that doctors, the assumed authority figures of her life, had been prescribing for the last fifteen years and an estimated 30,000 pills.
It all stemmed from an attempt quell her initial grief at the sudden death of her father when she was just a teenager. Brooke assumed she was broken, that she couldn't function in society without the drugs. It was only recently that she began to question what life would—or could—be without these medications driving modulating her emotions. Listen in to this week's conversation for how Brooke is navigating her newfound life—re-learning what it means and how to be herself, if not truly figuring it out for the very first time.
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More About Brooke
Brooke Siem is a speaker, writer, and chef who spent a eight years in the New York City food and wine industry before an opportunity to travel around the world with Remote Year fell into her lap. Despite a career that included honors such as being named one of Zagat's 30 Under 30, becoming a Food Network "Chopped" champion, and co-founding Prohibition Bakery and authoring the book of the same name, Brooke's "successful" Manhattan life also fueled a lifelong battle with depression. Prescribed antidepressant and anti-anxiety drugs at 15 years old after her father's sudden death of pancreatic cancer, the opportunity for a life abroad sparked the realization that she had been heavily medicated for half of her life. She decided to make a massive change.
First, she booked a one-way ticket to Malaysia.
Then, she got off all the prescription drugs.
Two years and 17 countries later, Brooke's primary focus is on advocating for mental health and wellness without the use of antidepressants and anti-anxiety drugs. Though she believes that these sorts of drugs can have their place on the road to healing, her own experience has taught her that these medications are often poorly monitored by doctors, prescribed without thought of the long term consequences, and prioritize the notion of "existing" versus thriving. Brooke's goal is to show that it is possible to live a joyful, centered life without the use of antidepressants, no matter how far down the rabbit hole we once were.
As of May of 2017, Brooke sold her half of Prohibition Bakery in order to continue working and writing remotely. She is currently working on her second book, a memoir, and is currently based in Vancouver, BC. You can also say hi on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter.
Topics We Cover
- Deciding to detox after realizing she had been medicated for over half her life
- Pivot points of her inner landscape: being put on antidepressants to manage her grief "on a timeline that worked for everybody else.”
- Don’t remember much, "living under the impression I was broken”
- In her Legacy Show talk she shared, “When they first put you on the drugs, they don’t tell you that you’ll forget how to feel."
- Taking 4-7 medications at any given time, 30,000+ pills over the course of her life
- New York Times article: Many People Taking Antidepressants Discover They Cannot Quit (and the ensuing backlash)
- Detoxing at 30 years old felt much like going through a second puberty; became extremely sensitive to sounds, crowds, pain, tastes, music, clothing, everything - “I have no idea who this person is”
- Jealous of children who could express their feelings and anger out loud
- Sleep had always been the antidote
- What carried her through the down moments of detox when it could’ve been easier to go back to the meds
- Buying a one-way ticket to Malaysia, aha of starting to feel again - raindrops on her skin - little things to hold onto, started painting - felt creative for the first time in her life
- Finding a spiritual therapist - working with Edward Mannix; compassion key healing process
- Growing up in a very spiritual environment - picking angel cards as a child
- “He didn’t try to teach me how to cope, that my brain was broken or the solution was in a pill - he told me he thought it was possible to heal. We have all these experiences in this life and past lives that converge together and influence all of our decisions.”
- On clearing past karma, wipe off the lens of our life through self-compassion and feeling some of the things we’re feeling
- Silver lining doesn’t always work, on wondering about the why of all this
- All the issues of my life that I believed were permanent
- Self-compassion process: start with the phrase, “I’m so sorry . . .”
- Now approaching the two-year anniversary of getting off her last drug
- Living in Vancouver with her boyfriend, move around every four weeks or so; priorities have really shifted, don’t feel the need to look for validation in external things when it’s so much more important to spend time with the people who are important to her
- Created a much smaller life - love the idea of a tiny house
- On winning Chopped with chocolate, crabs and caviar
(Un)Medicating Grief: Recovering Feeling After Decades on Anti-Depressants with Brooke Siem
- Brooke on the web, Twitter, Instagram
- Video: The Legacy Show: Taking Control
- Chopped - Season 32, Episode 6
- New York Times: Many People Taking Antidepressants Discover They Cannot Quit
- Edward Mannix and his book Impossible Compassion: Use The Compassion Key to Un-Create Disease, Save the Environment, Transform Relationships. and Do All Sorts of Other Good Things for Ourselves and Everyone Else
- Nonviolent Communication: A Language of Life by Marshall B. Rosenberg
- References: Tosha Silver on breaking coconuts, rage rooms, Outrageous Openness by Tosha Silver
- Related Pivot Podcasts: Penney Interviews Jenny—We Are Souls: On Past Lives, Alignment Practices, Conscious Creation and Non-Icky Marketing and Manifestation and What's more important to you than perfection? With Jenny Blake and Strong Inside Out—Pivoting from OCD and Depression toward Mind-Body Alignment with Amy Clover
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